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2009-04-10 11:42:11

German TV explains car industry boycott of EU law

After several months of close monitoring, Germany’s leading public channel ARD yesterday reported about the delaying tactics of carmakers trying to use loopholes in an EU law banning climate-damaging refrigerants from 2011 on. According to ARD, the industry intends to use R134a in new models labelled as old ones.

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That's typical for the old school car industry, they are unflexible for new (greener) technologies,
it is for them "work of the devil". One reason for this unflexibility is: they are too big!
Have you asked yourself why we can't buy competitive hydrogen or electric cars today?
It is easy, because the car industry is working together with the oil industry!
I think they don't know what progress is! Profit for the managers, that's what they want, nothing else! Hopefully TESLA MOTORS and some Asian car producers (e.g. Hyundai) are able to give the old school car industry a good scare! Means: Bye bye Hummer, Dodge, Porsche, Ferrari, Jaguar, ,.......!
Thanks to the European Commission and other institutions who look into the future!

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Anyone read the last Automotive Airconditioning Reporter? Interesting reading on page 9 where it talks about the MAC convention in th e US: Ward Atkinson added that the SAE rejects a retrofit of R134a systems to HFO1234yf, and that it will be very likely also forbidden due to safety issue. Not only because there were was a fiasco when they tried to fill R134a into R22 MACs in the 90s (substantial contamination problems!) but also because R134a are "not sutiable to carry the mildly flammable HFO-1234yf".

I thought 1234yf was a direct retrofit ???? That's what Honeywell tells us all the time....

And another interesting quote from the same magazine: "HFO-1234yf will most likely be more expensive than R-134a". Ok, in terms of cost efficiency of CO₂ we are getting there, right?

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...and it has been over ten years that hydrocarbons have been used successfully in MACs in America, Australia and parts of Asia. Why don't we hear more about this real world use of an environmentally preferable alternative refrigerant? I mentioned this in person to Ward Atkinson many years ago at a conference in Washington DC, but what could he say. Interestingly Greenpeace is now looking more closely at MACs.

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Hello All...
There is a lot of negative hype over here about the use of enviromently friendly (read hydrocarbon) refrigerants in auto and mobile (earthmoving, farming and trucking)  air conditioning systems. Especially the flamability issue which is shouted loud and long, but no one mentions to 50kg (or more) hydrocarbon in the boot (trunk) as used in LPG powered vehicles? Odd isn't it?? Everyone is upset about half a kilo of Butane (R600) in the air conditioner but not a worry about the 50kg under their rear!!
Also from the "School of Hard Knocks" direct retrofit or "Drop-ins" are often not , with dramatic failure issues.

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It is realy stupid to keep on talking about the flamability of the HC when you look at the millions of plants in operation world wide. It is especially stupid when promoting R1234yf because if we can accept that then why not use the most efficient refrigerant?